A Vietnam War Hub REBUTTLE
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All Micky Dee hubs will soon have no advertising on them.
I TIRE SO MUCH OF LIES.
Soon I wil;l have little income coming into hubpages.
I refuse to give tyrants and slavers more than I have to.
All ads, as possible, will be removed from most hubs.
Fairness for all or let me off.
The Vietnam War hub by James Watkins has been "sanitized" to ward off law suits, etc.
The racial slur is missing.
The many slanders of Micky Dee are missing.
Some of the falsehoods about Vietnam remain as well as a tremendous slant toward NEOconland.
"Sanitize""' the hubs and sanitize the minds.
What we have here is slavery.
I work and I am not compensated.
Hubs are scrapped by mysterious means.
Right wing and left wing propaganda thrives.
The NEOcon is on.
Hubs of truth are trashed.
What we are participating in is PROPAGANDA and we aid and abet this propaganda by not protesting the absence of freedom of speech.
The secret government here enslaves as other secret governments always will.
There is no representation.
There is THEFT of hubs.
There is THEFT of LABOR.
There is THEFT of peace of mind.
This hubpages is another Sweatshop.
We just sweat at home. For nothing.
I tire of fake people with extra avatars to attack one another on the hubs, the web, etc.
I grow tired of lies by the "chosen".
I tire of lies published while my hubs are denied because of "duplicity" or some other vague reason/lie.
I grow tired of writing here. Why should I?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS TRASHED.,
LIES ARE PATTED ON THE BACK.
You can kill somebody but if you're nice about it- go on - kill!
I don't want to "fit in".
You folks "fit in".
The fake patriots wave the flag - and - stand by with perverted voyeurism and urinate on the truth and any hubber that takes a stand.
Hubpages should be banned from the USA for treason in squelching the freedom of speech.
My hubs are denied because of my being unflattering to liars. THIS is the real reason most of my hubs and articles are denied.
I doubt anyone is allowed to read this at all.
I'll be very surprised.
I usually wait to "save unpublished" because the hubpages police will stomp the hub out before it can get off the ground.
We'll see.
But - for all who follow my writings - I am consistent.
Yep. I write poetry. People stop by and give flattering remarks and I thank you.
I write and rant against tyranny. Nothing new here.
I take pictures of birds, squirrels, deer, bike rides, musicians, etc.
Yet some yahoo will ask after most of my stands for God, truth, justice, American Veterans, the poor, the mistreated ETC - "Why are you always so mad Micky?" I'm not jackass. Can you read? I take pics. I ride bicycles - unlike most of you polluting impatient car folk who are polluting the world and killing your own for the privilege of the perpetuation of the lunacy only.
For you morons - read my work. Many of the political idiots here make stupid statements like this all the time.
I've had a hubber to "befriend me only to lie about his political affiliation and core beliefs. Hubbers lift him up. You can actually tell outright lies here and be patted on the back.
This Vietnam hub by James Watkins should be CULLED..
The right wing slant is nauseating!
Twatkins and the Vietnam War
"In 1959, Ho Chi Minh decided to "liberate" South Vietnam. His agents, the Vietcong, attacked teachers, doctors, and ambulances in the south to make villagers so miserable they would welcome "liberation."
THAT IS A SLANT TO THE RIGHT. AND WHAT DID THE CIA DO?
THE CIA WAS RUNNING OPERATIONS IN VIETNAM SINCE EISENHOWER. YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE IT ALL STARTED WITH JFK.
"In 1964, North Vietnam attacked American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin. The ships were there to conduct electronic surveillance for South Vietnam. The United States Congress responded with the "Tonkin Gulf Resolution." This authorized President Johnson to do whatever he deemed necessary to protect American assets in Vietnam and "prevent further aggression."
WHAT WAS THE GULF OF TONKIN LIE? THE SECOND "ATTACK" THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE ESCALATION OF WAR WAS A LIE.
AXES TO GRIND WITH NO MEMORY, NO HISTORY MAKE FOR BIASED WRITING. YOUR POLITICALLY CONFUSED FELLOW BRAIN WASHERS MAY LIKE THIS TAKE BUT YOU ARE FANTASY. YOU ARE DISTORTING HISTORY LIKE MANY LIARS THAT HAVE WRITTEN HISTORY INCLUDING AMERICAN HISTORY FOR THEIR OWN DISTORTED REALITY.
A writer writes:
"Johnson gradually increased the troop levels in Vietnam to 550,000. But he never planned to win the war, only to prevent the Communists from winning."
THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT. LBJ DID NOT PLAN TO WIN? SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT VIETNAM LOOKED LIKE IN THE NORTH OR SOUTH, HOW BOMBING WAS, YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR TV WAR AND YOU'RE SLANTING HISTORY. YOU ARE LYING AS YOU SLANT.
I DISLIKE PRESIDENT JOHNSON. JOHNSON WAS AN AMERICAN LYING CROOK. HE WAS A POLITICIAN AND COULD HAVE BEAT NIXON OUT FOR AMERICAN JACKASS OF THE CENTURY. HE'D BE RUNNING AGAINST THE BUSHES THOUGH.
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"There can be no doubt as to the atrocities carried out by the Atheist Communists. But a group of Western Socialists, headed by Bertrand Russell —advised by Ho Chi Minh—held a mock trial in Stockholm in 1967, accusing America of war crimes. These charges had no basis in fact."
.EXCUSE ME? YOU DID NO RESEARCH HERE BUT TO POINT THE FINGER AT COMMUNISTS. WHAT WAS MAI LAI? THIS IS A GRAIN OF SALT. NO WAR CRIMES? THERE IS NEVER A WAR WITHOUT WAR CRIMES ON BOTH SIDES. AMERICA INNOCENT OF WAR CRIMES? YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND YOU SHOULD NEVER WRITE ABOUT VIETNAM. YOU COLLECT FACTS AND TWIST THEM FOR YOUR POLITICAL IDIOCY.
MY LIE (Mai Lai) WAS ABOUT LT. CALLEY CAPT. MEDINA AND A BUNCH OF AMERICAN FOOLS KILLING CIVILIANS.
NOBODY WENT TO PRISON. IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY. IT'S THE WAY OF NATIONALISM. IT'S FASCISM!
http://pierretristam.com/Bobst/library/wf-200.htm
“We saw this woman walking across this rice paddy and Calley said, ‘Shoot her,’ so we did. When we got there the girl was alive, had this hole in her side. Calley tried to get someone to shoot her again; I don’t know if he did.”
In addition, Calley and Medina had told the men before Pinkville, Meadlo said, “that if we ever shoot any civilians, we should go ahead and plant a hand grenade on them.”
WRITE THE TRUTH JAMES. FIRST YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN APPETITE FOR THE TRUTH.
"The Vietnam War ruined Johnson's presidency. He decided not to run again in the 1968 elections. It must be understood that the American People did not as much oppose being in the war at this juncture as they did Johnson's half-assed methods of waging it."
REALLY? AND THERE WERE NO REPUBLICANS TO EVER SUPPORT HIS HALF-ASSED METHODS? JOHNSON DID THIS ALL BY HIMSELF. HIS PLAN. POLITICAL SLANT AND I DESPISE JOHNSON. HE WAS A CROOK. BUT YOU ARE TOO.
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I have things to do. I'll leave this mess. But Jane Fonda has been the victim of a lie and smear campaign. Just recently my hub refuting some of the lies against her was pulled. Excuse me - it is the right wing HERE on these hubpages that has denied several of my hubs for the TRUTH they contain while this fact and lie story you have here is approved.
You prop that old lie up?
Excuse me everybody about this but - who did any spitting?
Who spit at an American soldier?
Was it CIA? Was this spitting just more propaganda for the war? With America you never know because the people in charge of this American government are liars- professional liars like the world has never seen and they have James Watkins helping.
NOBODY spit on me coming into America TWICE and like Mr. T - I pity the fool that would have attempted it.
If spitting was so prevalent - WHICH IT WAS NOT - I want to see footage. I've never seen it. I'd like to research that footage. I'd like an investigation into whether it was fake demonstrators like some republican rallies.
I was never treated better than by those "left wingers" who you say spit at us. Right wing monsters have spit on me all my life and you're spitting right now James.
I suggest you read The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy of Vietnam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitting_on_soldiers_during_the_Vietnam_War
Spit on soldiers?
MAYBE ONCE YOU LOON!
Marines were largely brought into Marine bases. There were no protesters there at all that I saw. Bring them into San Francisco? For what? No Marine base in Northern California that I'm aware of.
I was IN FACT - GIVEN A RIDE BY A HIPPIE SURF-BOARDER WHO TOOK ME TO THE BUS STATION IN LOS ANGELES. HE ARGUED WITH THE MAN AT THE "WINDOW" FOR A REFUND FOR MY BUS TICKET I DID NOT USE. THIS HIPPIE SURF-BOARDER THEN TOOK ME STRAIGHT TO THE L.A. AIRPORT.
MEANWHILE IN THE REAL WORLD - I HAVE BEEN DENIED JOBS BY THE RIGHT.
I HAVE BEEN FALSELY IMPRISONED - BY THE RIGHT.
MY PROPERTY HAS BEEN TAKEN - BY THE RIGHT.
THE RIGHT IS WRONG. YOU PEOPLE MAKE UP HISTORY AS YOU WANT IT.
SPITTING ON SOLDIERS? WHAT KIND OF SISSY SOLDIERS ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN? THAT IS A RIGHT WING LIE AND IT IS PERPETUATED BY SOME VETS. AND GET IT RIGHT - ALL VETS ARE NOT PATRIOTS. IF THEY LIE - THEY ARE SUPPORTING SATAN.
AS MUCH AS THAT "SPITTING STORY IS TOLD VERSUS HOW MANY TIMES A SOLDIER WAS ACTUALLY SPIT UPON IS A LIE. IF THERE WAS SPITTING I SAY IT WAS OUR OWN "GOVERNMENT" FOR PROPAGANDA!
SPIT? ON A SOLDIER? WHERE?
"There can be no doubt as to the atrocities carried out by the Atheist Communists. But a group of Western Socialists, headed by Bertrand Russell —advised by Ho Chi Minh—held a mock trial in Stockholm in 1967, accusing America of war crimes. These charges had no basis in fact."
Some Vietnam War reportings - regardless of of some facts contained within - ARE LIES.
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THIS IS AMERICA RIGHT?
FREEDOM OF TRUTH- ALL THAT_!?!
IF THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE, IF THIS IS THE LAND OF FREE SPEECH - THEN THIS VETERAN'S RIGHTS ARE REVOKED. If you ban a Veteran's right to speak - shove those ribbons.
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My freedom of speech is denied.
Where are Americans to stand for the truth, my rights, the rights of real Veterans and PATRIOTS?
When will Americans stand for truth and the rights of this Micky Dee?
How about - never - because too many Americans wrap themselves around writers of lies stand by with their distorted voyeurism and watch as truth and people are SLAUGHTERED.
My rights - right here - are denied.
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There is no such thing as a liberal after election. And- Democrats are republicans in sheep's wool.
Who will stand for free speech?
Liberals are saving the owls.
Last election - IT WAS THE ECONOMY.
This election - IT IS THE "FAMILY AMENDMENT"
I say no - these are distractions."IT" is about endless war and sticking all heads into the sand.
NeoCONS are saving the pencil-necked-geek.
I know who won't.
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~Micky Dee~
THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE JAMES.
More than 40 years after a massacre that appalled the world, the former US army officer convicted of organising mass killings in My Lai during the Vietnam war has made a public apology.
"I feel remorse for the Vietnamese who were killed, for their families, for the American soldiers involved and their families. I am very sorry." Lt. Calley - murderer, liar - and NEVER spent a day in jail.
The targets of the killings were mainly old men, women and children - all unarmed - as most younger members of the community were working in the fields.
The exact toll of the massacre still remain in dispute. But US estimates suggest that between 347 and 504 unarmed citizens were massacred that day.
Although a commission of inquiry recommended charges should be brought against 28 officers and two non-commissioned officers, Calley was the only US soldier convicted over the killings at My Lai. He was sentenced to life in prison, later reduced to house arrest.
This case is very much like the Iraq POW torture and killing in that all the high level officers got off, including Colin Powell (second in command of the Americal Division)....only ONE low level guy is left holding the bag. Calley.
After Lieutenant Calley's conviction and sentencing to life imprisonment, the White House ordered him removed from confinement in the stockade and confined to his bachelor's quarters at Fort Benning, Ga., pending an ultimate decision. Last Aug. 20, Lieut. Gen. Albert O. Connor, the commanding general of the Third Army ordered Lieutenant Calley's life sentence reduced to 20 years. That decision meant that Lieutenant Calley would be eligible for parole in six to seven years.
On September 10, 1975 was Calley paroled, after serving only three and a half years in what amounted to house-arrest.
Calley recently retired from his job as the manager at his father-in-law’s jewelery store.
He avoids interviews about My Lai--unless he is paid to give them.
Want to buy some jewelry? Most Americans would buy from this guy over a true patriot. They would buy from him over me. It's proven every day here on hubpages where nobody really cares about freedom of speech. But doesn't American BS keep us scurrrying for food, rent, anything, everything? There is no time for justice, compassion, or truth. There surely is not with political parties. The American judicial system is to never be overhauled. Never mind that this injustice system has not ever worked in honesty in the history of the "United States of Apathy.
So what actually is a war crime to Americans?
What is a war crime hubber?
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Go back to writing dribble.
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Let me do it.
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Where are the true patriots?
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It,seems we "Educated American fools" have a distorted view of reality.I agree with you Mickey.At,least you have done your due diligence in presenting your view of what happened in vietnam.
Thank You for this well documented hub.I agree,their is a well known saying - "I love my country but I fear my government."
Keep telling the truth Mickey Dee. That is the only way to destroy the right wing noise pollution.
Mickey Dee you are a true patriot, you were there, you know. You speak for the injustice and against the false patriots in Washington and everywhere else. I salute you and am proud to know you. Your friend Peter.
Hi Micky, I'm afraid James has a disproportionate hatred of everything remotely left of quite far right.
Brother Micky I will simply say YOU ROCK, keep on keeping on quelling those lies brother man.
Love Ya
Well this will get pulled, no doubt,but the truth ALWAYS pinches Someone. This is a great hub and concerns those who Know Nothing about killing yet get rated 91 as this place is over run by liars and ultra conservatives. This site has taken ANY joy out of writing now.
You are a great writer Mickey, I enjoy your works. Not all of us can write political. I myself would be a liar if I attempted to do so since my view of the war would be from a child's view. I know where my writing skills lie and writing political is not it. Many people have read this and I hope they don't pull it. I voted up.
Hi Mickey,
I just wanted to weigh in before you get pulled. I know you are scarred and can never get what you saw out of your mind. That was the real horror of that war. I don't think the soldiers were treated well either. I was only just out of HS, so a little younger, and none of my friends had to go. But I always oppose a draft. I wish people would just shut up when they don't know what they are talking about. HP is desperate, and the few good writers left don't make money anyway. I think it was only a few who wrote mulitiple prodct hubs on several different forums, beating the game. I write well, and have the same $17 from Google Adsense I had when I complained about it in May. Bless you for being a great citizen, a patriot, and for telling a truth many people don't understand. They don't want to understand. I still remember people chanting "LBJ LBJ How Many Babies Did You Kill Today?" He wanted to win. Dick Cheney, another monster, regrets he didn't bomb Syria. What a world we live in. Bless you, my friend.
I'm Glad They Didn't Pull This Hub And Glad I've Been Exposed To Your Literature,Idealism,Mind,And Conscience.;)
I felt like I had to read this in a hurry brother for fear it might be taken down while I was finishing it. Right on, I love your truth and feel like we're from another planet these days. Everything seems backwards. I'm really glad you talked about the spitting, I've been arguing with folks about that forever. Just made up bullshit. My hubs are going down too. The parody's I did on the fraud Dexter Yarborough got axed saying they were hate speech, funny thing is the only hate was all his buddies comments on the hub. The dumb ass Will Starr even had the balls to call me a racist. If that's not just idiocy I'm not sure what is. Dexy was such a wus he had HP e-mail me and tell me not to comment on his hubs which was interesting because he never approved one of my comments. It's all sick brother, I'm with you! Peace!! Tom
Your photos are gut-wrenching. Your words are passionate. "These are real people". No one can deny the reality of war crimes. It will always exist. Our own soldiers are being accused of raping fellow female soldiers. Anyone who is arrogant enough to believe we are above crimes against humanity is in denial or without conscience. Why would it be any different than the indiscrimate slaughters in our own streets?
You are courageous, Mickey Dee, and I hope you let no one ever silence your passion for the truth. Thank you
You have earned the right to say anything you like about Vietnam. You were there.
One of the best things Harold Wilson did was to refuse to send British troops.
I quite like James as a person - but he has swallowed the entire right agenda without critical thought. A shame. because he is intelligent.
I call it the Harlot Machine. Again, thank you for standing up to those who really believe, "if you are not with us, you are with them." Stay non-conformist, it will save your life! Bless You
Though I don't know the details about the topics regarding Vietnam, I applaud your outspoken ways. I love to see someone trying to defy being controlled. Free speech is indeed dying, and I enjoyed reading your strong words. I am naturally drawn to conflict, maybe I just enjoy seeing people getting bashed and proven wrong :D
Good hub :]
Author Micheal Crichton wrote a book called "Fear" (I think that was the name) which drove home a point that the government controls its citizens through fear. Doesn't matter what kind of fear. We as a people, they say, bond together when we have a common fear and will turn to the people leading us, like sheep.
I see from your words that you have almost reached the end of writing for Hubpages. I get tired of seeing the hubs that spew hatred onto certain people. If you do not support the haters then you have no value in their eyes.
I liked Hubpages at first but now I only ever look if there is something from you or a couple of other people that I like. There is one certain person who comes on here most days with a recipe and a hate speech and nearly always the same people are there with the same words of support.
I can't really be bothered to write anything nowadays. But I am looking for something else.
Just stay as you are. I look at your Biking Dude on Youtube sometimes too.
Hello Mickey. You should publish your banned Hubs as e-books on Amazon for Kindle. They will be out there to be found. They might even make you a dollar or two. There are also other places to publish 'blogs' online. Anything banned here should be promoted everywhere you can think of. Just my opinion of course.
Micky Dee:
I am younger than you and did not have to serve in Vietnam. But I remember the nightly newscasts. I remember all the people who were protesting the ethics of the war. I never saw a soldier get spat upon. I remember watching the dropping of napalm while sitting safe in my living room. I remember seeing the helicopters coming in and getting fired at. We at home only had a very limited view of the war. What you and your fellow Vietnam vets went through is unimaginable.
The protests I remember had to do with injustice and the death or our soldiers. Everyone wanted to know why we were there. They wanted us to bring our boys home. They were peaceful demonstrations that were marred by the
violence of police by local governments who did not want the protests in their backyards. They were embarrassed by them.
I remember at the end of the war, the scenes of aircraft coming in with soldiers living and dead. I remember that there were no protests against soldiers there either.
You are quite right Vietnam war history is full of gross inaccuracies. As you can plainly see there are many who remember the truth. It was the service and sacrifice of the Vietnam vets that made me want to join the army. I joined in 1982. I had no bad felings toward Vietnam vets and we (vets my age) only had the greatsest admiration and deepest respect for all of you who fought. Thank you for your service and sacrifice. KMattox
Dear Micky, I went to a reunion ( Iwo Jima ) I went with my friend Tom, who is a world war two Iwo surviver, he's 86 years, there are so few left that we had to have the reunion with the Nam vets, i listened to all of their stories and they all say the same as you, not one of them believed that we should have been there. Some of their stories made me cry, just as these pictures do, so cruel. Thank you for sharing. Keep the faith. God bless you....
Peace to you Micky Dee! When we look at how easy it is for people with little conscience to take from the poor and sick in the country, we can only imagine how little regard they have for those beyond it. The whole system is infested with lies. It is like the pollution they throw into our rivers and streams in the name of progress and jobs. It is all greed. And war is greed. It is hardly ever about defending any one in particular. It is about protecting business interests. The U.S. Navy was created to protect business interest along the Barbary coast. American involvement in both World War I and World War II did not happen in order to curb some great evil. We had to be coaxed into them. The current war on terrorism is about protecting oil interests in the middle east and Israel. Vietnam didn't prevent anything and costs millions of people their lives. War is a crime. They just won't understand that until judgment day. Peace
I don´t always understand American politics, in fact I somtimes have enough trouble understanding Brtish ones, but everythingyou write makes sense.
Some of those pics were heartbreakingly true to life.
Had to come back to this one. The images stayed in my mind. Wonderful hub. So glad it´s not been banned !!! You are so honest some ´´people´´ don´t like it. For those of us who think alike it is one of the best hubs on the site.
Love you man, as always.
I am afraid your "fans" will have to read my article for themselves as you are grossly falsifying what I wrote.
For instance, you wrote: "THE CIA WAS RUNNING OPERATIONS IN VIETNAM SINCE EISENHOWER. YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE IT ALL STARTED WITH JFK."
On the contrary, I gave the background of the conflict going back 1000 years with the Chinese ruling Vietnam; I gave the story of French colonialism; and as for Eisenhower I wrote: "President Eisenhower sent 2,000 military advisors to train the South Vietnamese Army, and the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) got involved as well. . . . President Eisenhower said: 'I cannot conceive of a greater tragedy for America than to get heavily involved now in all-out war in any of these regions.'"
You wrote this about me: "YOU ARE AN OUTRIGHT LIAR IF YOU THINK OR WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT LBJ DID NOT WANT TO WIN. "
What I wrote was well established and truthful history:
"The American military advised Johnson that what needed to be done was to bomb North Vietnam quickly, heavily, and without restraint; and then to occupy the North with the American Army. The military advised Johnson they would need 850,000 men in theatre for seven years to produce a total victory. Johnson thought this too expensive because he had plans to spend trillions of dollars of his Great Society programs. He wanted a cheap win and so went at the Vietnam War quarter-heartedly.
Curtis LeMay, commander of the Strategic Air Command, said the best thing would be to flatten North Vietnam, to "bomb it back to the Stone Age." Johnson thought this too harsh and instead commanded limited, sporadic bombing of political targets. Apparently, he thought the Communists would give up. Instead, Johnson gave them time to build an immense network of shelters and tunnels.
The slow bombing idea also gave the Soviets time to ship tons of ground-to-air missiles to North Vietnam to shoot down U.S. planes. American bombers were forbidden by Johnson to bomb these missile sites while they were under construction, since Soviet technicians were building them."
I also wrote: " Johnson's strategy of fighting a political war instead of a military war—with himself deciding the timing and level of operations rather than the military—was thought by Eisenhower to be doomed to failure. Johnson never waged it as a war. If he had the outcome would have been very different. Even the bombing targets were selected not as per military tactics or strategy but as political targets."
And finally I added this: "
Johnson gradually increased the troop levels in Vietnam to 550,000. But he never planned to win the war, only to prevent the Communists from winning. The purpose of all U.S. actions in Vietnam was to make the Communists quit. Johnson never understood that casualties meant nothing to Communists."
You slur my person but every word I wrote is the truth, especially "he never planned to win the war, only to prevent the Communists from winning." This is well known to have been LBJ's policy by everybody except apparently you.
You rightfully quoted me as making this factual statement: "There can be no doubt as to the atrocities carried out by the Atheist Communists. But a group of Western Socialists, headed by Bertrand Russell —advised by Ho Chi Minh—held a mock trial in Stockholm in 1967, accusing America of war crimes. These charges had no basis in fact."
Then you added this :"EXCUSE ME? YOU DID NO RESEARCH HERE BUT TO POINT THE FINGER AT COMMUNISTS. WHAT WAS MAI LAI?"
My Lai happened AFTER the Bertrand Russell conference. Get your facts straight dude.
You then quoted me accurately as writing this absolute fact: "The Vietnam War ruined Johnson's presidency. He decided not to run again in the 1968 elections. It must be understood that the American People did not as much oppose being in the war at this juncture as they did Johnson's half-assed methods of waging it."
Then you get off into a rant about Republicans that has no relevance to THIS paragraph of mine you quoted. What I wrote is well known fact.
You even defend Jane Fonda, who posed atop Soviet anti-aircraft guns used to shoot down her fellow Americans. What I said about Jane is absolutely true:
'In 1972, American actress Jane Fonda visited Hanoi as a guest of the Communists. She made ten propaganda radio broadcasts in which she denounced American military leaders as "war criminals." When cases of torture began to emerge among POWs returning to the United States, Fonda called the returning POWs "hypocrites and liars." She added, "These were not men who had been tortured." Fonda further stated that the POWs were "military careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals."'
Every word you wrote is wrong. You are a lunatic. You should be locked up in an asylum for the criminally insane. All you are is a brainless hater of mankind. You are demonic. Just look at your screaming above in all caps just because you know in your heart that you are wrong about everything you profess to believe. Please don't imply anymore that you are some sort of Christian man. Christian men are never filled with pure hatred as you are. You are filthy and nasty and without sense, intelligence, manners, grace, and even basic couth. You are without any redeeming qualities. You hate yourself so you want to take it out on me. Go back to auto-fellatio. You might be good at that. And if it doesn't pay much, blame the Republicans.
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Educate yourself and others.
Act now or forever hold your piece(s)
namaste,
Hello Micky Dee,
I have always enjoyed your writing as you speak the truth, there aint much of it about on hubpages. I'm experiencing very similar, more than likely due to ultra right-wing idiots flagging-up everything I write. Now I know how easy it was for Joe McCarthy to get elected here..
All you can do bro is keep going, adapt maybe, if need be, but never let the forces of reaction and barbarism win.
Take care!
Vinceremos!
I totally see where you are coming from. Watkins hubs are so distorted they have the effect of being flat out false. It's simply sinister, worse than just sneaky, the way he slants truth. At each attempt to get a justification of the claim in question, I simply received a rant about how everyone else is a baby killing, atheist, communist (Atheist-Communist, as if that means anything).
Vinceremos!
Though just as a matter of personal preference, I have never been good at "ranting" Micky. Not that I am criticizing you whatsoever. I know the frustration that boils up when you come across something so subtly written that the majority of people will accept what they read as fact, especially if it seems to fit their world view and written in an authoritarian tone.
I read several of his hubs - about cars and other innocuous subjects and came away feeling that they are wordy and the sentences flowed nicely but they all seemed written for a specific "audience". He offers shibboleths to his captured readers who he knows will praise his "work." Strictly commercial and linear...
Now and then I learned something that was new to me but it was like reading stuff in high school that I was going to have to do an essay on...
Then I read his hub "Missionaries". And though I don't think I had ever left a comment before, this one was about a subject I happen to be very familiar with and have discussed with my relatives who were missionaries. Southern Baptist type, way fundamental and I had discussions with them as a teen, a young adult and last time in my 30's. So, when I recognized the dogmatic and propagandistic, one sided essay of his, I asked a simple innocuous question.
He then began a rant, aligning me with information that he posed which had absolutely nothing to do with anything I said or my question. He used 8 (I think) paragraphs in an ad hominum argument attacking me. He then lifted out words and parts of my bio, added his own words, and took them all out of context which would meet the legal definition of slander. Using the tactic of discrediting me and making me out a fool and "hypercritical" to make my comment and question useless and unworthy to those who would read it.
This was a major, and still is by many, method the Bush/Cheney/Republican/Conservative folks used to methodically destroy our civil liberties and rape America for their personal gain.
He then went on to question the character and life of my Southern Baptist Missionary Grandparents implying that I felt poorly of them.
Then.... a few comments when another hubber commented on how interesting the question that I posed was he, rather than making the comment that came to his mind, would rather like to see how James would answer my question.
To which James Watkins enthusiastically praised him and stated that it was such a good subject/question that it was worthy of a book which he was now going to consider writing!
I have to agree with you and scottmonster 100% He is one sly smooth propagandist and yes since he did fabricate and falsify what I have written in my bio in his rant and use it to quote me (Yes, he quoted me...) and Lied in order to slander my character for his propaganda.
People should know, but I think his 2000 followers are people like him and don't won't hear/see it, and those intelligent folks who read his dribble will recognize him for what he is...
Mike
Hello Micky,
how good that you are putting 'james'on his bottom !!
I agree with everything you say ! Everything !
I am still smarting about his 'drivel' about my comrade Fidel. I realise most people won't be with me on the Fidel thing, but he,James, is so arrogant in his writings which are so establishment and leaning on Zionism almost....
Good on yer Micky,best from jandee.
Micky,
I appreciate your knowledge and experience in this matter. Your points are interesting and certainly worth researching. I will say though that there is absolutely no reason to attack another hubber the way you have. I very much think you should be able to give your side of the story. It think it's great. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of this country. If you disagree with James then make your points and be heard. But, verbal attacks on another hubber's character and slandering him as a person should not be tolerated and I personally would pull your hub if I was functioning as a moderator. It's not a matter of freedom of speech. It's a matter of what's best for this website. Your style of free speech would turn HubPages into the Jerry Springer Show and HubPages is not obligated to support or allow it on their site, especially if they have guidelines for content which you are required to follow in order to post content here. If you don't like their guidelines, focus on your blog where you can post whatever you want.
I hope you can treat your fellow hubbers with the respect they deserve. Making an argument is great. Come forward with your evidence. Disagreement is a healthy thing. As for the rest of it, I hope you are able to figure out how to clean it up. It does make you come off like a crazy person. I'm not saying you are. You just sound like it.
I commend hubpages for upholding respect for freedom of speech. Each of us are given respect when viewpoints from different vantage points are presented. Each of us has the right to come to our own conclusions.
I wasn't there to see what Micky saw in the flesh. I do know that the photograph of the young woman, alone, dead in a field, makes the atrocities real for me. I will never forget it. When I see her face, her posture, I don't need to know her personally to know that this woman was someone's child, maybe a sister, a mother, a wife, and I feel grief for her and those that loved her. Even animals grieve such loss among their own.
I worry about those that can remain dispassionate, even in the face of a horrifying photograph, with Micky's words in a reminder that "These are real people". This deserves passion. I think about the fact that were that my mom, sister, friend or another human being I'd seen a moment before, I would want Micky's compassion walking next to me. Although he has seen things I hope I never see happen in front of me, because I would be crazy, he remains pure in his compassion, passion and dedication to his truth. He has no agenda other than the truth. He speaks his peace and each of us are free to accept or reject it. But, only in each person's right to express it, are we free.
Dear Micky, You are NOT crazy.
Satans´ world is crazy.
You are passionate about your beliefs.
Passionate is not crazy. Love you man, as always.
Dim x
Micky I have never heard the word 'fark off' as they say in Ireland 'feck off'! Anyway ! what I am saying is ! I am presently in France(Another country that was unable to conquer vietnam) having great time and what I want to say is ,when home in liverpool I am intending to write a hub about the 'happenings in Vietnam' from a peoples perspective! ie. not a war or establishment point of view.
Very best to you micky and best wishes,jandee
Bigotry is spelled James A. Watkins and so is narrow mindness.
Being selective with the truth is one thing, distorting the truth is another; James does both - a "true" American hero, the voice of Christian values at its worse
Micky,
I never said I disagreed with the content or context of your hub. I'd like to separate those two things, actually. Your content is separate from your tone and your attacks of another person's character. I might have actually enjoyed your hub and gotten something worthwhile out of it if it wasn't written with such vehemence. Same for your comments. I'm not sure why it is that we can't allow other people to have opinions that differ from ours. There's nothing wrong with James writing what he believes to be true. You do the same. The two of you happen to disagree. This disagreement does not warrant or justify the kind of personal attack you have mounted. If his perspective is historically inaccurate then say that, explain why, and site your references. There's no reason why a philosophical disagreement can't be civil and devoid of hostility.
I bet your stress level would go way down and you would live longer if you could figure out how to do that. I sincerely hope you can. Peace to you.
Micky
There are so many things running through my mind that I feel like I might faint. I actually went and read JW's Vietnam hub, reluctantly,and honest to God, I swear on the bible, I kept an open mind and I wanted to think you were just nit picking and crazy.
It was clear to me, as it has been so many times after reading JW's hubs, that what he wrote was mostly word for word, copying from different books from authors who share his extremist opinions. It is good to read books to get information but we should use our own words to make us a credible writer. Also if you are giving a written account of a historical event, you MUST remain neutral if you are a professional. It is fine to state your opinions, but you have to say that they are your opinions. You cannot present it as fact. He cannot actually know what what going on in Johnson's mind, nor does he know what Johnson's strategy was for the war. He also doesn't know what was going on behind the scenes that caused Johnson to make certain decisions that he made. To say Johnson didn't want to win the war is shameful to me as a citizen. Johnson may have made mistakes with the war but to assume you know what his intent was is unfathomable. It would be fair for James to say that in his research, he himself concluded that Johnson's intent was such and such. We all have our opinions on war and how we think it should have been fought, or not fought, but we cannot state certain opinions as fact when writing history in a book or internet simply because school children google these topics and use this information for reports and for future decisions.
It was unfair of James to call protestors of the war communist and atheist. Our founding fathers of this country advised us to question our government. We the people have a right to know what is going on in a war that we sacrifice our very young sons, just out of high school, to kill and die for. I think it was smart and humane for Johnson to not want to kill civilians while James's author's sources said we should have just wiped them off the map. That is the most horrible statement a human could make and I got knots in my stomach reading this from a so called devout Christian. I don't understand how James could be against abortion but doesn't mind wiping out whole populations of men, women, children, and women carrying unborn fetuses. Honestly, this hurts my heart more than it makes me angry. I really feel like crying right now because I wonder what we have become as human beings. I know that I can rant and rave, and I quit reading most of James's hubs a long time ago due to so much condemnation of those who do not believe as he does or is of the same race. Even though I strongly disagreed with him on his views, I still liked him as a person because I AM tolerant of all people and they have a right to their convictions. In all honesty, I thought James really believed what he wrote and who can fault someone for that? Now, I'm starting to think he is being dishonest and is trying to promote an agenda for a personal gain. It hurts me that I lost him as a hubpages friend, not because of numbers of followers or scores, I could care less, I don't even have an account here for money so I am not here for that. It hurts me concerning James, because he was one of the first people when I came here to support me in my writing. He was polite, supportive, and very much likable. Why can't he just be open minded and respect all people, listen to all viewpoints and try to understand the wisdom of others that do not follow his doctrine. Life is not black and white, democrat or republican, christian, or Muslim, Communist, or Capitalist. Life is full of mostly grey areas. Matter of fact opinions of one train of thought is practiced only for promoting an agenda. One train of thought also promotes hypocrisy. This is a dangerous way of thinking and it is a communist way of thinking. Church and state MUST be separate, otherwise, we end up with people like James who has no problem with killing or accusing, or hating, which causes him to go against the very religion that he supports so much. This isn't fair. Religious heads need to stay out of politics and our government and Presidents need to stay out of religion and quit appealing to Christians for votes.
Both democrats and republicans are corrupt. Even if a politician is
Somehow this comment got sent without me finishing it. Now I hope I can remember what else I said.
lisapreston, Although this is Micky Dee's hub and I do not want to be intrusive, I want to say that you restore my faith in humanity. Thank you.
Amy Becherer, sorry Micky, but what you just said made me feel so much better. I have been crying my eyes out and feeling so hopeless. You, Amy Becherer, have restored my faith in humanity. Thank God, for you.
lisadpreston, I was especially moved by your statement regarding the babies, yet to be born, that die when their mother's are killed in wars. I hadn't actually thought about that and it is a horrific reality. Your compassion is a rare gift.
Lisadpreston, Why do you contradict yourself ? Just tell me ! what is a Communist way of thinking ?? Do You know any communists personally? I am not trying to attack you ! I thought you had many good points in your comment to Micky. At that particular time,70s, I was Secretary for a charity called 'Medical and scientific aid for Vietnam'. I was often attacked and had oldish -Rich-Women shout at me to get back to Russia ! Spat at and much worse ! All we did was to organise film shows and fashion shows,Auctions and many more things just to get money for medical aid for the injured and dying in terrible situations in the jungles of Vietnam-a lot of the aid consisted of Blood. Personally I am a a rare Blood Group so felt delighted that that was being sent.
You mention that you were crying when thinking about the babies and vulnerable in the invasion. I can empathise easily ! Hundreds of us worked together then eventually we managed to scratch together enough money to purchase a mobile unit (small hospital)which the Soviets delivered free to Vietnam for us, as they did with everything we sent. Every bit of money was used honestly for aid. Lots of different beings worked closely on this committee. Communists,Socialists,Catholic Communists, German Jewish and many more good people
best from Jandee
Jandee, you might ask your question to James Watkins. He appears to be the expert on Communism and the ability to point out who is one. When I meet someone, asking them if they are communist just doesn't occur to me. I'm not that prejudice or shallow. So honestly, I don't know if I know any communists.
Hello Lisadpreston,
thank you for your quick reply.
Don't like to go on about it . It was on account of your remark re. 'This is a dangerous way of thinking and it is a Communist way of thinking' ??
regards jandee
Jandee, I'm sure I didn't make sense when I wrote my comment. I have a hard time making a clear point when I am upset. My head was pounding and I couldn't seem to keep a thought intact. What I was trying to say, and I might be wrong in thinking it, is that James Watkins wants to accuse so many Americans of being Communist, but I see his portrayal of "One way of thinking" not permitting anyone dignity for a different viewpoint, being of another race, having another religion, being a democrat, etc. etc. as being more of a communist than those he accuses. Listening and trying to understand others viewpoints and respecting their race, culture and different religions IS freedom and it promotes freedom.
I just want to make my position clear. I support Micky Dee 100%. He is not crazy, more like frustrated and at the end of his rope with distortions of truth and a corrupt government that doesn't have the interests of the citizens in their decision making.
Micky Dee is not stupid,without manners,demonic or any of the things James accused him of being. And what is auto-fellatio? Is that a Christian term?
Thanks Lisadpreston,
A fair reply. Actually those are all the things that the Left stand for i.e on your last 3 lines- Most people are under the impression that all communists have to be atheists which is rubbish-Italy was total left in the 70s and most wouldn't have dreamed of leaving their church,why should they? If it gives comfort !
Over here,U.K, we ,unhappily, have a pest of a thing called the 'British Defence League' it's part of a very unhealthy group called 'The National Front'. They just about hate everything and everybody as racists do. I fear that is what we have in the person Watkins ! Extremely RRacist ! As well as dangerous. They infiltrate almost every peaceful demo. That's their task, to infiltrate and destroy.
Hope your headache has gone ! If it returns try plain boiled water and sip it while hot,
best from jandee
Personally my best friends are Jehoviahs and we have many giggles at peoples ideas and how they love to put everyone in a box, like Catholics in this box, Muslims in that box......
Hello Lisadpreston,
Well I am in agreement with you about Micky. It is very unfair.
Judging by the look on Husbands face when I asked him the question -What is ? No I don't think it's a Christian term ! Though it might be ! Let's face it ! WE are Two innocents,you and I,
jandee
Jandee,
Thank you so much. It gets confusing to me when people are categorized into a box. Left, right, democrat, republican, socialist, communist,fascist, tea partier, and then to complicate it more, they add religion to the mix. I see now why the left is called commies. I guess I'm a commie then. What I try hard not to be, is a hypocrite that forces my views onto others and I hope I am never a liar. I would never purposely distort truth for personal gain.
I agree with you completely, Jandee. Thank you for the headache solution. I will try it. These headaches are from stress at hubpages. There was a time when hubpages was fun.
I just asked a friend what that term meant. Oh my goodness, I want to crawl under a table in shame. I thought it was a fancy Christian term coming from James. I don't claim to be a Christian but I don't think a Christian should be saying such a thing. Nor anyone for that matter.
WoW! Say I! Rubbing my eyes in tiredness,not boredom.
I agree . Not very nice ! Something else was said nobody picked up on ? Or did I imagine it ??
Hope your headache vanishes. I was cursed with migraine for years ,used to live in Jersey,Channel Isles. The drinking water was doctored with a chemical-They put in toohpaste-can't remember it ! Anyway a while after we moved to Liverpool I realised I was head-ache free,
try yoga,just relaxing face-down on the floor and do poetry or something,
good-luck from jandee
Get some rest dear. It may have been flouride in the water. The wonderful government we have (sarcasm) has been putting that in our drinking water, water for babies that you buy in jugs at the store and it is in our toothpaste. It is nothing more than rat poison but they spin it saying they want our teeth strong. What a farce. For all the money they are spending injecting us with poison, you would think that if they were concerned with our health they would put some vitamins in the drinking water.
Do get some sleep. I never sleep anymore and it is destroying my health.
WE LOVE YOU TOO MICKY DEE!
Bless you, Micky Dee!
Thanks for comments Micky. As for our -Damaged Goods-
aquaintance ! Well maybe he's had ' well over his share of fame' Getting too much attention -but not from his 'followers' that's for sure,best from jandee
I enjoyed the exchange between jandee and lisadpreston and Mickee... it all does make you wonder the "who" it is behind HubPages and making these decisions. I was following springboard who is having similar issues on his hub and is trying to start a conversation with other hubbers to see if a real human bean will show his face. So far a bureaucrat has shown up and sounded like a real tool of management but I guess we'll see.
Keep it alive Mickee!
Micky Dee , as a writer of poetry , stories or whatever here on hubs , I'm always a little mystified at how or who the hub gods are . I once penned a hub , a true one , about a war hero of mine and mine alone , my brother , who served proudly in the Marines in Viet Nam , now here's the thing ! He believed then and he believes now that the mission simply was unfinished ! He said to me many times that he would have returned to finish it if he could have ! Over the years I have tried to read and listen to the man within him too. The one that lies within , without speaking of the horrors and the trials of his war service. I have grown up with a profound sense of respect for veterans , and I have learned here too ! About the veterans who are , or were against the wars [s]. I have learned humbly that in respect of both the believer in war and the anti war vets ! That all views are genuine views. My hub about my brother was judged Substandard too ! I took it that because of the political correctness of anti- war views on Viet Nam , that the god of Hubs just had to deny it! Who knows , But I do know you as well as everyone is allowed thier opinion! Write on man! Your hubs are as good as anyones!

































blackreign2012 Level 1 Commenter 9 months ago
I am speechless.. I wasn't alive when these horriffic murders happened but; I still feel the sting. The Empire is unrelenting and unforgiving and we ALL are expendable to it. Thank you so much for sharing this mickey I am so glad I got a glimpse into the past even if just for a moment which just solidifies my contempt for the empire and the atrocities it perpetuates smdh