Proper English And Writing!
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Some of us write,
Not because we write well.
Some of us write,
Because we have a story to tell.
Some write to prove,
They have the skill.
Some have the tools,
But lack the “goodwill”.
It’s too bad their education,
Hasn’t provided experience.
But their ego inflation,
Feeds their belligerence.
With their silly pea-brain,
Revealing small thoughts so vain,
They’ll carp and complain,
Of their silly disdain.
They admonish any blemish.
Foolish, priggish, boorish,
Hoggish and snobbish-
Is their insistence on perfect English.
I’d rather have a scratchy image,
From days of yore,
Than futuristic quality,
That reveals nothing more.
But they look down their nose,
At the true poet’s prose,
But the dew falls on a turd,
The same as a rose.
~Micky Dee~
They Shoot Canoes Don't They?
Patrick F. McManus was born in 1933 and raised on a farm in Sandpoint, Idaho, which is located in a valley between two ranges of the Rocky Mountains.
He saved enough money from construction work to get through his freshman year at Washington State College in Spokane, Washington.
McManus writes mostly about his outdoor adventures from his childhood with semi-fictional characters such as his old woodsman mentor Rancid Crabtree, his childhood friends "Crazy" Eddie Muldoon and Retch Sweeney, and his dog Strange. He is also a regular contributor to Outdoor Life and Field & Stream.
Many of his dialogues with Rancid Crabtree were written very well. Pat McManus can write with the best. He projects the colloquialisms of fictional character of Rancid Crabtree so wonderfully.
But I think you can see that the message is more than it's presentation.
Sample a taste of Patrick McManus with a few lines from "The Fibricators". On coming out of their favorite fishing hole with a beautiful string of fish, Rancid and Pat are met by unsavory characters that they would rather not have frequent the fishing hole:
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"What'd you take them fish on?" one of the men asked.
Got any pickled sow's yars with ya?" Rancid says. "Thet's the only thang these fish'll bite on."
"Yars?" the man said.
"Pickled sow's ears," I translated.
"No, we ain't got any of them," one of the other fellers put in. "but we got some mighty fine flies."
"Wall, good luck to ya," Rancid said, starting to walk away. Then he stopped and turned and said, "Say, iffen you fellers see maw big black dog, Wuff, would you mind haulin' him back to town? He can find his own way home from thar."
"Oh, I reckon," a man said without any great show of enthusiasm.
"I'd be beholdin' to ya," Rancid said. "Course, if Wuff be all tore up when you find him, jist put him out of his misery."
"Tore up?" another man said.
"Yep. I 'spect thet big cat might of kilt him outright, but mebby not."
"Big cat?"
"Jist an ol' mountain lion. But don't worry none, cause they almost never attacks a hoomin bean lessen they's hurt an' starvin'."
The three men faltered in the assembly of their rods.
"Come to think of it, " Rancid continued in a musing manner, "thet ol' cat did seem a bit on the thin side, didn't you think so, boy?"
"You could count his ribs," I said.
Rancid raised an eyebrow at me in an expression that said, "That ain't bad."
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What I'm saying here is, the message is not the punctuation.
For foreign readers, this is broken English above and it's all written phonetically - as we hear the words.
I am amazed at the bilinguals here on the hubpages.
They struggle with English as a second or third or fourth language.
I would rather have the story than the proper punctuation, spelling, "sanitizing".
I've often thought about sending someone the correction that I see. I would do that. I'm not sure how long I could volunteer to help with "proper English", but I could try for those who wish to improve their skills in English.
But- I love their work as it is! And that is why I have not offered before. I certainly would not want to offend.
God bless all of you who can speak another language. I wish I could.
God bless!
Broken English
Some scholars teach their students the sentence structure, punctuation, and all need to hone the tools for the perfect writers. The book companies, as well as kings, will treat the writers as kings.
I would rather hear simple prose on a dirty sidewalk about a life that's lived.
And so, I wrote the following in honor of simple people who I regard as royalty.
Maybe they never spent a day in school.
But I wish, I wish we could could hear and read some words from the men and women of prisons, street life, and those who died in mines chained together and dying together. Not because I relish in another's suffering, but because I do not want to dismiss their suffering.
So the poem below is written phonetically. Or is it fonetically?
God bless the weak and heavy laden!
Crossing The Street
Ain’t got no time,
To make up no silly rhyme!
Dey say I done a crime.
Dey out dere damn mind!
Dey just some mean folk,
Makin’ a hard life a joke.
For demselves to feel good,
Dey just give me a poke!
Dose peoples come down on dose,
Wearing ragged clothes.
It’s a wonder dey don’t drown,
De way dey hold dere nose!
Dey always cross the street,
Befo we ever meet.
Dey won’t let me eat,
Anywhere dey eat.
But dere will be a day,
When I hear my God say,
I heard my chile pray,
Let’s go home today.
And my skin won’t bother Him,
And my clothes won’t turn His nose.
And I won’t need no money,
Or have any other woes.
And I will climb,
His mountain,
And I will drink,
from His fountain.
And God’s gonna erase,
All the pain on dis here face.
And God’s gonna wash my mind,
Of all this mess I leave behind.
Cause dey ain’t gonna be,
No prisons up there.
Ain’t gonna be no demons,
Tryin to scare.
And we’ll have lots,
Of real good food to eat.
And nobody gonna need,
To cross no street!
~Micky Dee~
"I" Before "E" And Sometimes Why?
It’s “I” before “E” as in,
fierce, collie, die, friend, and believe,
And it’s “E” before “I” after c as in,
ceiling, receipt, ceilidh, and deceive.
But of course it’s “I” before “E” after c:
As in science, sufficient, and species.
But why not spell as you smell it,
And as it sounds as in “feces”?
And then you have “E” before “I”,
not preceded by c as in:
weird, vein, foreign, eider,and seize,
Oh please! Oops! Or is it it “pliese, or “pleise”,
How about “puhleeze”, as in “sneeze”?
From the mnemonic plague came the mnemonic rule,
To make most us of look like a fool.
"I" before "E",
Except after C,
Or when sounded as "A,"
As in neighbour and weigh.
Ebenezer Cobham Brewer came up with this rhyme.
And I wish the man was still doing time.
If there’s any rule for “I” and “E”,
It’s “I” before “E”
when it wants to be.
“E” before “I” as in neighbor and weigh.
Well I say neigh! Neigh, I say!
But here are examples of “E” before “I”.
But all these exceptions can make a scholar cry!
- beige
- feint
- feisty
- foreign
- forfeit
- heifer
- height
- heir
- heist
- neighbor
- reign
- rein
- seismometer
- their
- veil
- vein
- weigh (weight)
Now here is “ei” but it sounds like “ee”.
- codeine
- either
- Keith
- leisure
- neither
- seize
- weird
Or not an "ee" sound, but spelled "ie":
- friend
- hierarchy, hieroglyphics
Crazy man, just crazy!
Crazeee?
Now we have a “Y” that sounds like an “E”.
It’s enough to drive a bi-linguist crazEE!
Oh sure! There’s the “Y” that sounds like a “Y”.
And all I can think of is WHY?
I feel like poking myself in the eye!
EYE, I, EI, IE…WHY? WI? WEI? WEYE?
There are 23 other letters.
We’ve touched on three.
I’ve studied all my life,
And it’s easy to see.
So, I’ll touch on the “O” before I go,
I’ll give an example so you will know.
The architects of the English language,
Were, honestly, pretty slow.
Two “Os” with different sounds,
Are in the single word, “moron”.
And that, in itself,
is a lot to dwell on.
Oops! Gosh darn!
Now I see too, as scholars can tell,
“That’s a lot,
upon which, to dwell!”
You see, you never end a proposition,
With a preposition.
And this complex English language,
Is just another “war of attrition”.
The word sleuths and the language police,
May gasp, roll eyes, swoon, and faint,
At someone using the slangy word “ain’t”.
Well, I can’t! Ain’t, ain’t, ain’t, ain’t, ain’t!
~Micky Dee~
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Yes, Micky, the e before i rule has brought many a strong man to his knees. Happy to no you no it. :)
Duh, I don't understand any of it! @.@?
Too many broken English!
Learning the right one
already troublesome
Sorry, King Micky, but my grammar
always have so many flaw
T.T
Haha..."i" before "e" except after "c" is poem in itself and one that's burnt into my brain. There are certain mistakes I always make, even though I know how it goes. Every time I write a hub, without fail I have to correct 'becuase'as I always get the 'a' and 'u' the wrong way around.I need a rhyme..."a before u *because* it's true!"
There are many others my brain just can't get right. I wonder why?
Loved the hub and as always the great pictures.
Awesome Hub Micky Dee, I wish I had paid more attention in school, I never would have thought in a million years that as an adult I would enjoy writing as much as I do. So hear I am many years later trying to learn it all over again. I am so glad I have found this wonderful writing community and I know that since I have been writing here that my writing has improved, and know that it will continue to improve as I keep writing, and reading as well. Like Darlene mentioned I too write from the heart. So glad you put this hub together and rate it up and awesome my friend! God bless you- Rob
Micky this is a brilliant compilation of poetic fun. The pictures are marvelous.
All of us have read something that sounded absolutely magnanimous, then sat for half the day wondering what the writer meant. What is it they say...communication is the key? I figure as long as you can make your point, the rest is just something to say.
Great minds think alike! I was just thinking about the rifts between published authors and authors in new media like hubs. You have your purists, then you have the people that write and share their passions raw and unfinished. Like birth, all of us were born, just not the same way. Thank you again for your insights.
Thanks for illuminating the world Micky Dee! There are so many people out there with beautiful, wonderful human stories to tell and I believe many are too intimidated by the literary establishment to put their words out there. Book companies tell people to send their cover letters and work in, in a near perfect state - make sure the spelling and punctuation is complete and correct or they will dismiss it. How much great storytelling gets tossed in the bin because an expert judged the presentation over the meat? That's what I love about hubpages. We can all throw our words out there and get our two-cents in. Most publishing today is about selling books anyway, making money, so things that get published are things with a name and some traction behind them. A tv character like "snooki" gets published, not because of her writing skill or the depth and quality of her story - but because she is already famous and the publishers know it will sell - even if it doesn't say anything. What a shame. Keep writing! You have fans! You have readers! It's like a band that plays in pubs all their life. Your doing what you love - so keep doing it well! Peace
Oh Micky another great hub, how do you do it ?!
Your doggie pictures were priceless and i really liked the lines;
but they look down their nose
At the true poet's prose
But the dew falls on a turd
The same as a rose.
Brilliant my dear friend.
Take care
Eiddwen.
A very interesting hub. Your subjects are so diverse and informative as well as entertaining.
Thank you Micky.
The writing critics are mainly after me,as I wasn't raised on a keyboard and miss dangle a letter or two that get through my edits....I Love all my second language hubber's and see aesthetically the worldly vision in the affectionatly familiar "personal" expressions.;)
Micky, You didn't hit on the one i have the most trouble with and that's el and le, i'm never sure if a new word i don't know should be le or el, like the words, cattle-ravel, is their a rule? DUH
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Very inspiring hub. I wish I can use proper English for my hub. I hope you guide me, my uncle. Thanks for writing this. God bless you.
Your nephew, prasetio
Great write Micky Dee -- so fun and entertaining with a great message. I look forward to reading your hubs!
Sharyn
I've developed a block about the "i" before "e" thang. I swear, everytime I look up "weird", it changes!!! I've taken to just using a different word. Now that I try to write, I'm finding I have to look up all kinds of words that just don't look right!
I love "The Fibrocators". It is correct! It is the dialect that makes it brilliant. One of my favs is ralwus, who has a published book from a series he has published here. It is in the proper dialect where the story takes place. It is genius and some of the most enjoyable reading I have had the pleasure of encountering. Without the dialect, it would lose it's charm and authenticity. If we all wrote the same, who in the world would want to read? Brilliant piece, Micky Dee. Thank you.
Beautifully brilliant Micky Dee! This is in the top few I have read here on hubpages. Thanks for the chuckles, the truths and the what ever it may be's!
You have done a marvelous job of showing the lack of logic in the English language -- and this comment is from a person who tried to teach it for over 30 years!
My biggest problem in trying to write is that I am too critical of my own writing. I am too aware of my own mistakes.
God Bless, Bro' Vet, I had to laugh out loud! I have a stack of Field and Stream magazines for no other reason than Patrick McManus, in my filthy little corner where I sit read smoke, drink Coffee and write, are two shelves, one is full of bible translations the other is full of close to every book McManus ever wrote, I showed my father these books and he like I knowing all to well the antics of kids are outrageous, these books are of the best tomfoolery ever written, as I get older I read them again and have forgotten much, it makes them worth another go. I almost signed on when I opened this account as Rancid Crabtree, but figured it was too much typing to log on before coffee each morning.
I cut words to fit me and if I mess one up enough I just add it to the liberry of the english of 50. If my failure to write is spelling in ones eyes, they are welcom to read else where. I am working on the use of , and ; to give pause between a run on topic, I see that as a plus and a great weakness as I type what I think and cannot keep step with two fingers and the speed of my thought.
Most excellent message, Amigo! Peace and Love, dust
As usual your talent is showing! Very entertaining hub. I enjoyed each and every part of your creative writing and the pictures just kept me smiling.
Very well written hub.
Wow Micky! Too much brain work I think. But the the main message is about 'snobbery'. Surely it's enough that somebody tells a good tale never mind having to have a good degree as well! eh! Loved your bit about the workers of the world,anyway some people may be dislexic.. ' enjoyed that la! That was gear'
jandee
O Micky...... funny AND awesome.
Somewhere inside all the awful things you´ve seen in your life, all the injustice you´ve encountered, there still lies a brilliant mind. love you man. xxx
I agree that the message and heart in the writing are the main things of value. To get them across, some tools are useful - tools that both the writer and reader need to know.
Grammar is simply tools. If you want to do math, you need to understand the symbols and their functions and whoever is to use the calculations must know something about what they mean, as well. If you wanted to build a bicycle but didn't know what went where or how it all works together as a unit, it would be a pitiful bike. If an architect knew nothing about roof loads, stresses and foundation factors, his buildings might look good while they lasted, but they wouldn't survive a good Texas windstorm. Punctuation for punctuation's sake is as silly as just laying a foundation and drawing a blueprint and calling it a building. Both the details and the whole concept are needed to create a good finished building that fills the intended purpose.
Punctuation is no more and no less that just to tell a reader what the writer has in mind to bring the scribbles to life, - things like when to pause and for how long; whether someone is supposed to be speaking the words; if it's a question or a statement, - stuff like that. It's not some high-minded pretense created to make life complicated and miserable. It's really just the opposite. It's sad that some teachers, I suppose, and some other folks have made it so complicated and created such a barrier about something so - well, "tooly". If grammar is the only basis for anyone feeling snobby, that person is in sad need of a real life!
I love your poem, Micky. You're really thinking!
OK, now, so huked on foniks wurked fir me...........love this hub..........punching the punctuation is what I do not do so well. :0)
Wow , so funny pictures that i rated it funny.
Good points everyone, I let it flow, writing is more of an expression to me and one I give little thought to in terms of proper English and Writing.
I no doubt would make a good example of what not to do when it comes to proper English and Writing. :) Katie
Actually that primate at the top of the page in the spectacles looks like a punctuation nut and critic, Micky. Scary monkey! ;-> A spy!!
This hub is a combination of beautiful poems and useful ideas to follow. Although it is sometimes hard to decipher an article with wrong grammar, but the message and insights are more important for me. I can tell that they write from their hearts. Their tips, ideas or opinions are original, too.
Actually, this hub is a reminder that people who are bilingual or multilingual have an advantage than knowing only one language. Thumbs up!
Have a great week!
Hi Micky Unless we've got time to attend classes we have to settle for what's inside of us. Some hubbers have very poor written English but their content is rich with imagination and wisdom. Signing up on hubpages is a good way of learning and being inspired by others. You have done a great job of pointing out how difficult it is to write correctly and how sometimes it isn't that important. Cheers buddy.
Holy cow, Micky - great work here and love all the English 'exceptions'---since I edit for a living, it never ceases to amaze me what our language does and is all about. Loved the pictures, too!
Yes, those spellings and pronunciations often get in trouble. Thank you for the fun lesson.
Chris Matthews is a guest on The Tonight Show. In another context he just said a mouthful: "If you hire a plumber, you want him to know what a pipe is." Perfect example.
That really IS a cool monkey, Micky. Giggle. . .Reminds me of someone I've met. . .
Good article which really exposes the truth about writing,thanks for this wonderful article.
A great hub, wow - poetry and english class too! Terrific!
You made me smile with this, the words and pictures. I have at times noted how in the forums a caustic comment or two to do with spelling or the use of English. I was left to conclude that for me the manners of the response was worse than the 'spelling error' that offended them.
Thank you, Micky for a great poetry hub, I enjoyed it.Thank you for sharing. Godspeed. creativeone59
They say that learning English is just about the hardest language to master and your hub shows why that is the case. Like you, I admire people who know several languages and write here on HubPages in one not native to them. If I tried that...well let's just put it this way...it would be a futile exercise to say the least.
On one vacation trip with my mother and niece we decided to only speak in Spanish. Using the few words we knew...it was a VERY QUIET portion of our trip! Haha!
Punctuation was always my nemesis; I think I was traumatized by a high school English teacher and have not yet fully recovered. Just a superb hub, Micky...thank you! Up and useful.
I jus luved ery lil bit o dis Mick bro.
Having had our graddaughter around almost every day as she's grown to her now six years, we have had to try to watch both our language and grammar ... well I have, my husband, not so much. I do believe we squelch creativity sometimes in children by teaching them proper pronunciation. I realize its necessary but I will forever be Ga, instead of Grandma to the little one and G_ma to my sixteen year old granddaughter because she likes the way it sounds.
I am thrilled my grandkids love reading and love to write and glad all of the playing with sticks, grass and rocks I taught them to do is paying off in wondrous imaginations My Mother used to correct my letters to her in red ink and send them back to me. Now that will put a crimp in your writing and your desire to communicate with someone...lol
Love this! Amazing poetry and prose...or should I say "prows". Hehehe. Voted up.













































Darlene Sabella 14 months ago
HA! I write from the heart, have NO idea if it's written right or wrong, love this hub mickey my dear heart. I only wish I did have the perfect knowledge to make the grade, for for me I love to expresssssssss and hope that fall on the right ears for success. Love love this hub and rate rate up up peace & love you darski